Mayweather vs. Arum: The History
By Alexander Fugate
Floyd Mayweather Jr. began his professional career, in 1996, with Top Rank promoting his fights. Everything began perfectly with Mayweather winning his first world title just two years later. After defending this title eight times, Floyd moved up and took on the toughest challenge at the 135 pounds weight division, one division north of where he began his career at. He won that bout, granted an immediate rematch and then fought two top contenders before moving up in weight again, this time to the 140 pound division. He won two title elimination contests that set him up for a showdown with fan favorite Arturo Gatti for the WBC light welterweight title in his first PPV match. It was around this time that Mayweather began being vocal about his displeasure with Top Rank Promotions and Bob Arum, the man who runs Top Rank. It was before the Gatti fight when Floyd told sportinglife.com, “He (Arum) doesn’t like (me) and I don’t like him. But that’s okay because he doesn’t know how to promote a good fighter anyway.” Mayweather has since been vocal about how he feels Top Rank stymied his career and put his interests behind other Top Rank fighters, especially Oscar De La Hoya, who was also with Top Rank Promotions until 2001.
De La Hoya went on to start Golden Boy Promotions and signed many big-name fighters. Unfortunately for boxing fans, Arum and De La Hoya couldn’t put their past disputes behind them and didn’t deal with each other for years. Effectively meaning that anyone with Top Rank would not fight anyone signed with Golden Boy and vice versa. Eventually, they put business ahead of personal feelings and put together such matches as Mosley-Cotto and Pacquiao-Barrera.
After defeating Gatti, Mayweather jumped up one more weight class to the 147 pound division. Mayweather was scheduled to fight Sharmba Mitchell in his first bout at this division. After reports of this bout surfaced, Top Rank filed a lawsuit naming Mayweather, HBO, Mayweather’s advisor Al Haymon, and Goosen-Tutor Promotions as defendants. Reports had indicated that Goosen Promotions would promote the fight. At the heart of this lawsuit was a contract between HBO, Top Rank, and Floyd Mayweather. Josh Slagter of Mlive.com explained it well: “…the network (HBO) disclosed plans to opt out of its then five-year-old contract with Mayweather and Top Rank, which effectively would break the promoter’s ties to the fighter…” It went on: “Arum was flabbergasted, since it (HBO) had no intentions of breaking ties with Mayweather, but withdrew the lawsuit the same month is was filed, after agreeing to a new two-year contract. The new deal included a $750,000 buyout which Mayweather exercised less than six months later…”
Mayweather exercised this right after he beat Zab Judah. At that time Arum had offered Mayweather $8 million for a fight with Antonio Margarito on August 12 of that year, 2006. However, in the victory over Judah, Mayweather had badly injured his right hand and decided to wait until he was healthy to fight again. Much has been made of this offer, by Arum and Mayweather critics in the last couple of years.
ESPN’s Dan Rafeal reported on this. The reason for the split between Mayweather and Top Rank was reported as follows in Rafeal’s 2006 article on ESPN.com.
“Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.
Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in.
‘That’s not in the cards,’ Arum said. ‘He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em.’”
Goosen-Tutor Promotions came along and offered Mayweather one dollar more than Arum’s offer to face Margarito, for Floyd to instead face Carlos Baldomir. Mayweather accepted this offer. Some still claim Arum’s offer to fight Margarito was more. It wasn’t. It was one dollar less. Neither Baldomir nor Margarito was known outside of boxing circles at the time. At the time of that fight, Baldomir hadn’t lost in nearly eight years, since he was able to quit his day job and start training for all his fights. After beating Judah, Baldomir defended his title against Arturo Gatti. Conversely, Margarito’s two biggest wins at that time were against Antonio Diaz in 2002 and a victory in 2005 against Kermit Cintron. However, two fights before the Cintron win Margarito had lost to Daniel Santos.
After the Baldomir victory, Mayweather finally got the fight he had wanted since his days of fighting at the 130 pound division. A fight with De La Hoya. The main reason for his split with Top Rank. Not even a year before that fight, Arum had insisted Mayweather couldn’t get $20 million. While Mayweather only got a $10 million guarantee he got De La Hoya to give him a percentage of the PPV revenue. This was the first time De La Hoya ever did this, all his previous opponents got a guaranteed amount; no more, no less, no share of the PPV revenue. Mayweather walked away with between $22 and $30 million, depending on which source one believes.
Mayweather’s next bout was with undefeated Ricky Hatton. Mayweather received a guaranteed purse of $15 million (over twice Arum’s best offer) and walked away with over $20 million after all the revenue and numbers came in. It’s generally believed Mayweather earned approximately $50 million in 2007, with De La Hoya and Hatton being his only two fights that year.
In 2008, Mayweather and Arum’s relationship went from bad to worse when Mayweather filed a lawsuit against Arum. Floyd claimed he was owed money from his fights against Judah and Arturo Gatti, but couldn’t say how much because Arum reportedly refused to turn over the accounting numbers. Arum actually admitted he owed Mayweather money, but retaliated by threatening lawsuits against Floyd and other people in Mayweather’s camp; it was widely believed Arum was referring to Mayweather’s manager Alan Haymon. Whatever came of this lawsuit and alleged counter-lawsuit hasn’t attracted any attention from the media. The safest bet would be that it was worked out behind closed doors; but it seems impossible to confirm what happened with it for sure.
Mayweather came back from a 21 month retirement in September of 2009 against Juan Manuel Marquez, in which he earned a guaranteed $10 million ($600,000 of which he paid to Marquez to allow him to weigh in two pounds over the original agreement) and with over a million PPV buys, should gross over $15 million (it can take up to nine months for all receipts and money to come in).
Next was supposed to be a fight with Manny Pacquiao. However, negotiations stalled and Manny Pacquiao wasted no time in signing a contract to fight Joshua Clottey on March 13. Mayweather has since signed to battle “Sugar” Shane Mosley on May 1st.
Mayweather vs. Arum: The War
Looking at just the monetary side of this falling out, it would seem Mayweather Jr. clearly came out ahead from his split with Top Rank. However, the financial side is only part of the story. Boxing is a business and undoubtedly Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a master on the business end of things; but there is also the respect and legacy to consider when one has the skills to beat the best. This is where some feel Mayweather Jr. comes up short. They feel he hasn’t tested himself enough; that he’s refused to fight the toughest competition. And none other than one Bob Arum has been ringing this trumpet at least as loud as anyone else.
At the press conference following Miguel Cotto beating Alfonzo Gomez Arum said, “…he (Mayweather) didn’t deserve to be fighter of the year in 2007…Mayweather is not good for the sport and after seeing Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto tonight, that he (out of fear) has probably taken a ticket to Mars.”
On October 12, 2009 Arum was quoted by badlefthook.com: “The fight I would like to see him in with is Mosley…But it will never happen… He’s (Mayweather) is going to fight a guy that presents very little danger to him… But the fight he should make is Shane Mosley.”
On Nov. 19 2009, Larry Fine of Reuters Canada quoted Arum saying, “… he (Mayweather) ducked (Shane) Mosley, (Antonio) Margarito, and Cotto…”
Arum has continuously alluded to Mayweather ducking Margarito, Cotto, and Mosley. That seems to be the whole battle cry of Mayweather critics; that he ducked these three opponents. Let’s start with Margarito. It has been repeated quite often that Mayweather ducked Margarito, that he turned down an $8 million offer to fight him after Judah. Wouldn’t Floyd have been ducking Baldomir if he didn’t fight him instead? The Baldomir offer was better financially speaking and Baldomir had at least as much, if not more, name recognition than Margarito. Mayweather should have fought someone who’s most notable victory was over Kermit Cintron, for less money, instead of the lineal and Ring magazine welterweight champion? I really fail to see how fighting the lineal and Ring Magazine and WBC welterweight champion for more money than Margarito offered is ducking. In fact, if Mayweather hadn’t fought Baldomir there really would be no explanation other than he was ducking him.
What about Cotto? Surely, Mayweather ducked Cotto! Well, it could just as easily be argued that Cotto ducked Mayweather. Why did Cotto never make any offer to Mayweather? Eastsideboxing’s Michael Herron insightfully noted this significant detail in a column on March 26, 2008 when he wrote:
“…the data clearly disproves his (Arum’s) claim that Mayweather is somehow “fearful” and is “ducking” Miguel Cotto. If anything, Mayweather is asserting his independence and is showing confidence in his newly acquired ability to do business with his interests, not Top Rank’s in mind.” He continued, “As part of his smear campaign against Floyd, Arum often states that ‘Mayweather does not want to fight Cotto,’ but never quite confirms that ‘Cotto wants to fight Mayweather.’… Could it be that Arum realizes the match-up is a potential lose-lose situation for Top Rank?…if Cotto is soundly defeated Top Rank loses their top prospect. His unblemished record will be gone, his aura of invincibility gone, and depending on how badly he is defeated, his market value will depreciate.” Is that a risk Top Rank and Arum was willing to take? Apparently not, since they never made any offer to Mayweather Jr. Not one. After Floyd earned around $50 million for two fights in 2007 and it would be the biggest possible payday for Cotto and Top Rank, Top Rank was suspiciously quiet. If this is a fight they wanted, why didn’t they make an offer?
As for Mosley, it’s actually well documented how Mayweather called him out in 1999. How Ring Magazine featured both on the same cover. How Mosley refused to fight Floyd. How in 2006, Floyd again challenged Mosley. How Mosley again came up with excuses to not fight Mayweather Jr. Mayweather had been trying to fight Mosley from 1999 until he retired in 2007. It was Mosley who ducked Mayweather, not the other way around.
The choice of Marquez for his comeback fight definitely fueled the fire of the critics. Whatever the reason, it does seem like a low-risk match- especially in hindsight. The most logical explanation would be that Floyd wanted a relatively easy fight to shake off the ring rust. The detractors will always claim it was because he was scared, of someone or other, though. After the logical choice of Baldomir was Oscar De La Hoya, who came in to the ring with an estimated 16 pound weight advantage over Mayweather Jr. and was coming off a splendid 6th round TKO of champion Ricardo Mayorga. After that, was Hatton, who supposedly had the style and talent to beat Mayweather and had the best odds against Floyd of anyone since the late Diego Corrales. These were not two tomato cans. And now that he’s back from retirement Floyd is facing the top welterweight in Shane Mosley on May 1st. How is it that Mayweather has fought all the top guys, except the one’s with Top Rank?
Now, the choice of Marquez for his comeback fight definitely fueled the fire of the critics. Whatever the reason, it does seem like a low-risk match- especially in hindsight. The most logical explanation would be that Floyd wanted a relatively easy fight to shake off the ring rust. The detractors will always claim it was because he was scared, of someone or other, though.
The only other name that is ever mentioned is Paul Williams. Up until after the De La Hoya-Mayweather bout, Williams biggest victories were over Sharmba Mitchell and Walter Matthysse. No one was clamoring for a fight with Williams at the time. In fact, most felt Hatton had the best chance of beating Mayweather. Now, that Mayweather is back and Williams has victories over Antonio Margarito, Carlos Quintana, and Winky Wright, he definitely deserves to be mentioned, as a possible foe for Mayweather, but taking on Mosley is still a grave risk.
Now, Arum is trying to convince the public that Mayweather is ducking Manny Pacquiao. There are many differing theories on the collapse of a Mayweather-Pacquaio superfight, but the fact remains if Pacquiao would have agreed to two random blood tests, between the presser announcing the fight and ending no later than 14 days before the bout, then Floyd Mayweather Jr., and not Joshua Clottey would be standing across the ring from Manny Pacquiao on March 13. Manny Pacquiao has said on at least two occasions that he doesn’t have a problem giving blood, but just not on the day or the day before the fight. He told ESPN’s Brian Kenny this and also stated this to fightfan.com. So, it appears Manny Pacquiao had no problem with the final contract, the final offer, from Mayweather. Yet, it will be Joshua Clottey and not Floyd who Pacquiao will be fighting. The question has to be asked, why is this? Could it be that Arum isn’t willing to risk his biggest money-maker from being painfully exposed? Many boxing analysts believe Mayweather would win a lop-sided decision over Pacquiao. And while it’s true Manny Pacquiao has three losses on his record, it’s also true not one of those losses have came since he’s been regarded as one of the top pound-for-pound fighters and one of the top two money-makers in boxing today. This is the same situation as with Miguel Cotto a couple years ago; if Top Rank puts their top prospect in with Mayweather, Floyd would be the favorite to win. If Floyd came out victorious then the incredible hype surrounding Pacquiao (and Cotto in 2008) and the huge marketing draw he’s become could evaporate overnight. If Pacquiao lost a lop-sided decision, then a bout with someone like Joshua Clottey would probably bring in less than half the revenue as it will on March 13. This would be a huge risk for Top Rank. Other than Pacquiao, the top names under Top Ranks control are Edwin Valero and Miguel Cotto. Two good fighters, but nowhere near the money-makers, that a Manny Pacquiao is.
One has to admit it’s interesting that the three names most commonly brought up- Margarito, Cotto, and Pacquiao (Mosley is often mentioned too, but as already noted that is a blatant lie)- that Mayweather has supposedly “ducked” all just happen to be with Top Rank, and all just happen to have come since Mayweather split with Top Rank. Is Mayweather ducking top contenders? Or is Top Rank boycotting Mayweather? Arum has been relentless in his criticism of Mayweather’s supposed unwillingness to risk his perfect record against any real threat.
Especially interesting is his rhetoric regarding Mosley. It’s on record how Floyd had continuously tried to get Mosley in the ring before; also on record is how Mosley launched an all-out campaign last summer to get a fight with Pacquiao. Pacquiao instead fought Miguel Cotto, who struggled against Clottey, and appeared to be a changed fighter since his fight with Margarito. Now, that the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout is off, Pacquiao was quick to sign Clottey. Yes, Mosley was scheduled to fight Andre Berto on January 30th when talks broke off with Mayweather, but Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, had already expressed interest in Manny waiting and fighting the winner of that match. Mosley would pose a great risk to Pacquiao. And so, within days of breaking off negotiations for a Mayweather fight, Manny was signed to fight Clottey, who is good, but still a level or two below fighters like Mayweather and Mosley. What does Arum have to say now? He accused Mayweather of ducking real competition and especially of dodging Mosley, yet his fighter has essentially “ducked” Mosley twice in less than a year.
The relationship between Floyd Maywather Jr. and Bob Arum has been a very tumultuous one. One with verbal jabs thrown back and forth. One with lawsuits being filed and threatened by both parties against the other. As of today, Floyd Mayweather has certainly proved his monetary worth and has made much more than Top Rank told him he was worth before he left in 2006. However, the propaganda campaign launched on Floyd Mayweather Jr. from Bob Arum has tainted Mayweather’s record and accomplishments. Hopefully, for boxing fans, Arum can put his personal feelings towards Mayweather on the backburner and help put together the biggest fight out there: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao. While there will always be critics, wins over Mosley and Pacquiao would silence at least a few.
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I feel sorry for your girlfriend Floyd Jr. Mr. writer your article almost made me cry knowing that there is still a stupid idiot like you siding with Kenducky Floyd Chicken wahahahaha
You even think you can manipulate the minds of your readers to go with you? Go back to Mayweather’s Arse where you belong.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flintstone84#p/u/1/rw5wi0rSzOA
To see ur hero exposed for the real coward
Mr. Alexander Fugate:
You are swimming against the riverflow.
The facts has already been established into the heads of majority of the boxing fans that Floyd ducked Pacquiao because Floyd is scared of losing his 0 property.
You even mentioned that most boxing analyst believe that Floyd will win against Pacquiao in a lop-sided fashion. How can this be when Pacquiao KOed Hatton in the 2nd round while Floyd KOed Hatton in the 10th round, and Pacquiao TKOed De La Hoya in the 8th round while Mayweather barely won against De La Hoya!!
You also mentioned that Pacquiao ducked Moseley twice. This statement is absurd because Pacquiao instead fought Cotto who defeated Moseley recently!!
The reason why Floyd is really scared of Pacquiao because of the way Pacquiao KOed De La Hoya, Hatton, & Cotto who are naturally bigger than Pacquiao.
If Pacquiao will be the 1st boxer to KO Clottey, then expect Pacquiao vs. Mayweather ain’t gonna happen.
he ducked mosley because roach said osley to good to fight his fighter and he asked can you make 140 and mosley said no and then thats when roach said thats the only way we will fight you then mosley came back and said he was do 140 and roach stil said no so thats a duck..and jsut becuase pac knocked out hatton faster dosnt mean anything i cna tell you dont understand boxing just off the statement styles make fights and the reason why people pick floyd over pac is because of his style and last time i checked arum walked away from the table not floyd and also check youtube their is video proof of roach and pac saying drug testing randomly is fine just not the day of the fight and agreeing to it and saying even though we agree to it he will come up with something else which he didnt so dont talk if you dont kno facts videos and facts dont lie but people do
pacman ducked mosley? hahaha! come on! the old man is not the best to pair pacman in the eyes of arum and roach!
and it is roach who refused mosley, not pacman robyy.
but this time wait for floyd and mosley, if mosley wins hes got a fight with manny.
manny never ducks any fighter. dont treat manny like floyd whod been ducking fighters in his divisions for 5 years.
manny came up to welterweight facing bigger and stronger guys.
stop making things as if you know what you’re talking about.
manny will always say, “its my promoters job who i will fight next, my job is to train hard and to win the fight”.
educated yourself for once, stop making stories.
oooo i get it now thanx for opening my eyes… so its ok for roach to duck fighters for pac…since u saying pac didnt duck him ebcause roachh said it…but dosnt arum and roach represent them and if he represent them he represent something that he wants and will agree to …dont get it twisted roach and arum work for pac he can fight anybody he want ..but if we goign off what you saying then maybe roger should talk for floyd and when floyd dosnt want a fight he have roger say and then not talk smh…you obviously dont kno much about boxing lol…but yea he been ducking for 5yrs your right..fought zab and boldimer 1 and 2 in the welt division then came and fought hall of fmaer in his own weight 154 then hattan highly ranked in p4p list at the time and undefeated and then came abck knock off p4p 2 guy and then fight rank number 1 guy in welt divsion and then fight number 1 p4p guy after if pac takes blood so that sounds like a ducker to me your right….people lie but facts dont and learn the facts first instead of worshipping pac
robyy…
i think you need sleep and your medications.
mosley is a lesser guy. cotto beat him and manny destroyed cotto.
so, dont try to make mosley a sweet perfume in our nose, he’s not.
too bad for floydie. he’s forced to fight mosley cos he cant sell fights with cherrypicked opponents anymore. you gotta accept the fact that floyds 0 loss will soon come to an end and mosley is determined to destroy him in the ring which by the way is floyds greatest fear. dont worry, im betting on mosley to win a KO over floyd and the next bout will be pacman vs mosley.
to remind you, its floyd who fear mosley to death, not manny. kid.
now did i say pac was scared of him or did i state that roach said mosleyw s to good for him ..and they speak for manny so as far as im concern if people who represent me say another fighter better then me and thats wy we dont fight them and yet the y work for me and i dont stand up and say something then what they are saying is proly right dont be mad at me because those are roaches words not mine i have nothing agaisnt pac im just stating what the facts were which was mosley came to pacs gym and roach said your to good of a fighter for pac and asked hiom to come all the way down to 140 and he said he cant make that weight and roach said well thats the only way we will fight you and then mosley came abck and said he can make the weight and then roach still said no thats a fact so if you mad at what im saying your just mad at a fact im sorry i dont worship pac is a god figure lol
yea im sure he cherry picked the same fighters that pac fought after him and sold more numbers as well…so if floyd is cherry picking then what does that make pac if they both great fighters and pac fought the same fighters after floyd ..o wait hes not a cherry picker because he beat them quicker right? that makes no sense if anything pac a bigger cherry picker if we going off your mind set because floyd fought them first and beat the first accpet marquez and manny say pac lsot to him so learn boxing first instead of jsut worship pacs career…and btw not calling pac a cherry picker i dont think they are at all but if we going off the way you talking both have to be cherry pickers
That is such a stupid thing to say say. You dont know anything about boxing. Paquio knocking out Hatton quicker doesnt mean he can beat Floyd. Ever heard of styles make fights. Besides that same Ricky Hatton knocked out Castillo who Floyd was never able to seriously hurt but look at what happened to Ricky when he faced Floyd
no.. your the stupid who says nonsense…rule asshole! hahaha
go back to floyd blackass!!! youu piece of shit!
you’re right. styles do make a fighter win rule.
and to compare? manny has more to give floyd than floyd to upset manny, you know why? all floyd know it to dodge, avoid and run. manny’s skills had grown and his counterpunching skills has improved tremendously. now manny has added to his arsenal orthodox style aside from faster footworks and more devastating angles of punches. i think you know what im talking about. ye, skill do win the fight, maybe has not changed a bit but pacman did. floyd knock hatton in 10th round, manny destroyed hatton in 2.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flintstone84#p/u/1/rw5wi0rSzOA
to see pacquiao exposed for the real coward
pacquiao is the real ducker i recommend all you pactards see this video to see how much the media infuences your weak pathetic minds
http://www.youtube.com/user/flintstone84#p/u/1/rw5wi0rSzOA
i think this author is selectively deaf when Pacquiao and his team reiterated time and time again that they are willing to submit to blood testing AS LONG AS IT IS REQUIRED by the NSAC, and not by an opponent. This author is quite convinced that Pacquiao should bear the blame of the fight being cancelled. It’s just tiresome to hear the “Why wouldn’t Pacquiao take the 25M drug test” like a broken record. Why should he? How about “Why wouldn’t Mayweather let go of his demands for 25M”? Pacquiao has never been linked to any steroid dealer, there wasn’t any whistleblower (which should have come out by now if there is any), i mean, what is Mayweather so scared of? This guy is small, and should get a lop-sided beating from Mayweather, right Mr. Writer? Why can’t Mayweather let go of his demands? Or better yet, why won’t Mayweather go before the commission and propose his dream/vision of a drug-free boxing? Surely, those people from NSAC are not stupid and will exhaust all its options to come out with something agreeable for the betterment of the sport. Would you agree that he should have taken that path? For you Americans who have been very sensitive about rights and democracy, you should have understood this. Floyd has the right to demand, but Pacquiao also has the right to refuse, especially if it is beyond the rules of any governing body. Think about it Mr. Writer. Again, if you have been living under the rock, Pacquiao never in any of his statements said that he is afraid of needles, he said that the drawing of blood weakens him. Pacquiao never said he will not submit to drug testing by blood. He said he will as long as it is required by the governing body and not by Mayweather. And again Mr. Writer, if this is posturing in Floyd Mayweather’s camp, why would he need this tactic if, and in your ever intelligent view, that Pacquiao will just end up getting beaten lop-sidedly. What is the need? What is really in Mayweather’s head when he said he wouldn’t bend away from random testing, yet in his funny attempt to “save” their fight, he said he is agreeable to 14 days. Why would he agree to 14 days? When he knows himself this becomes useless and beats the very idea of catching cheating fighters. Why won’t he just set aside his demands? Manny would never fold, and I admire him for that. He will only go by what is demanded by the governing body. And again Mr. Writer he will abide by NSAC. Mayweather knows Pacquiao is clean. And some of the money he will earn in his next fights will for sure go to Pacquiao’s pockets when he ends up paying for damages for defaming Pacquiao. So easy to say that Pacquiao should have just taken the 25M test, but it is also equivalently easy to say that Mayweather should have just dropped his demands.
do you kno roach and pac agreed to the random testing and their is video proof of it? pac said he finds it funny he wants to test me and roach said he will do testing as long as he dosnt do testing the day before the fight and he said we already agreed to it and floyd will come up with some other demand….dats why arum said the fight is a done deal but pac changed his mind on it so you cant blame floyd for pushing it if you ageed to it and now you switch it up…check it on youtube ill send you the link if you want but its their words coming out their mouth so people can lie but video and facts dont ..i got nothing against pac but you can agree to my demands and then i agree to yours and then you say no i changed my mind ill only do it if the commission says thats f**k up
robyy. manny accepted the 24 day period and the after the fight blood testing. whats the different with the14 day period floyd is demanding?
if you really believe floyd is up to the blood testing the right after the fight is the best option…
but a dumbass like you still needs proper education in order to understand whats happening.
but it seems you’re narrow minded as well. so, sorry.
you cant grasp the truth, so stay blinded…
i said i can show you the vidoe prove of them agreeing to drug test up until a day ebfore the fight and saying we have accepted it already but floyd will come up with another excuse to get out the fight…if you want the link to open your eyes i will show it to you…you can get mad at me for seeing a video of roach and pac agreeing to it ..you should be bad at them for saying it and not sticking to it..that is why arum came out and said everything is done because it seemed like it was but then either arum pac or roach didnt like the idea anymore and changed their mind and only way arum could cover himself is to say floyd just made these demands and is a coward but if floyd just made those demands their wouldnt be an interview before arum amking that statement….like i said if u want the link ill send it to you and you can watch for yourself ..not saying manny a coward or anything but like roach first said he wanted more time to fight floyd so he might of did it to get more time or arum just dosnt want to do business with floyd that bad i think pac would fight him theres no such thing of a scared top boxer
robby… read my lips.
understand what im saying.
so what if that video portrays pacman agreeing or not, thats what you call negotiations kid! they make up their mind. yet in the end what happened?
floyd still insisted on his own 14 day period. cant you get what that means? manny and roach weighed things down, considering the options… and they have the right to do that!
well, floyd is not really serious about the blood test. he is only there to impose his own will and authority, and thats what the pacman camp saw it.
tell me again… whats the difference with 24 day period, the 14 day and the right after the fight blood testing?
you even you cant answer that, you keep pointing on the video! if you’re in mannys shoes would you submit to floyds ridiculous demands? floyd is a nobody in this negotiations! manny just wants this fight thats why they tried to negotiate. dont play dumb with me, floyd has nothing to offer here, nothing! and he’s not even in any position to deman for any blood test in the first place. so stop imposing what you saw! if you’re decent fighter you should have gone to the nevada state commission for the blood test, but ya, you dont prefer that cos you want to play this game… dont treat us fool man!
haha so you saying its ok for floyd to agree to all your demands and then they agree to his and then they say the fights done and then change your mind and then you blame floyd for that? how da hell does that make sense the one to blame is the one that change their mind because everything was set in stone until you went back on your word now i kno talking to you is wasting time you will worship pac forever even if he lost to floyd you will jsut say well pac could beat him if he fought like a man and went toe to toe with pac but thats not just boxing lol takecare and hopefully pacquiao dosnt get upset tomorrow night ebcause that wil crush your heart
hahahah floyd dosnt have anyything to offer how about apc biggest payday..how bout if he fights apc it will break all ppv records how about it will determinewho realy is the best of the era …floyd brings nothing to the table your right your obviosuly a floyd hater if you say floyd is nothing keep it up man good luck i wontbe coming back to this site so dont waste your time lol
ROBBYY.. what a gay name!!! hahaha
u suck!
like i said i can show you the video of the interview of pac and roach agreeing to testing up until the day ebfore the fight and saying that pac thinks its a joke and we dont care if he test us and saying we already agreed to it but floyd will come up with another lame excuse to get out the fight….dont get mad at me lemme know and ill send you the video and then you can get mad at them for saying that and den going back on your word …these are just words im typing but i can show you the video of them saying it…r u afraid to find out the truth?
robbyy ur also a ducker…………….bwaaaahhaahhaaa!!!!!!!! shut ur mouth off….ur just a loser yaya……..
how old r u…stop acting like a kid like i said i can show you the vidoe prove of them agreeing to drug test up until a day ebfore the fight and saying we have accepted it already but floyd will come up with another excuse to get out the fight…if you want the link to open your eyes i will show it to you…you can get mad at me for seeing a video of roach and apc agreeing to it and get mad at me for that ..you should be bad at them for saying it….like i said if u want the link ill send it to you and you can watch for yourself it was an interview…
I would like to see that video Robby….Can you provide the link????
because you bow to everything floyd does, no wonder you dont see things in broader sense.
whats the point with blood test anyway? does it really win fights?
the blood testing isnt even suppose to be negotiated within the contract! its up to the nevada state commission to impose them… floyd should have appealed to them instead. its just that manny really wants to fight floyd before manny retire.
but floyd knows manny gets affected with blood test close to fight night, just like what happened in morales 1 fight, so floyd insists on his only demand, a 14 day period test regardless of manny’s 24 day and right after the fight blood test.
damn you people, stop acting as if you dont know this!
loser…loser…loser….loser….loser….loser….loser….loser….loser….like your baby floyd….
pacquiao essentially ducked mosley twice in less than a year? what are you smoking man? that must be something. LOL. how can pacman arrange a fight with mosley when the latter was still contractually obligated to fight berto?
nice try, but apparently not good enough, alex.
Mayweather Mosley PPV shares were:
20% for Mosley Fans
20% for Mayweather Paid Fans
60% wants to see Mayweather’s ass beaten by Mosley!!!!
id say,
10% floyd fans
30% mosley fans
60% wants to see floyds as beaten by mosley.
floydz…..ur also a loser…..loser….loser….loser….mosley is not the issue here!!!! its ur baby floyd and PACMAN…but some other commentator is right about what are they saying…like……mosley gonna kick your baby floyd ass bwaahhaaahaa….
how much money gayweather paid to this author??? Defending the duck gayweather??? or they are just sisters taking care of each other. Bloody gays wont shut up.
Sounds like one excuse after another after another. Thats a pattern. People dont care for excuses. What about Winky Wright? De La Hoya in his Prime? Gatti in his prime? Why not not retire at all instead fight for these two years and then fight all of these guys mentioned for that whole time instead of retiring? Thats alot of excuses heaped upon a weird drug test accusation and then duck out fiasco. Too many excuses for everything Floyd does. People dont like that and dont care.
The biggest reason I am a fan of FM is that his critics don’t really make any sense. He fought De La Hoya as soon as Oscar would take the fight (he called out Kostzu, Oscar, and Mosley all during the same post fight interview). Think about it or read the article above or watch some of his fights on Youtube. He doesn’t duck fights.
Kat
floyd only accepted dela hoya because of the purse! yet on the rematch he decided to retire.
mosleys fight? its because hes got no other choice, he could face mosley or retire! he cant sell no fights anymore kid! ones gonna watch his cherrypicked fights no longer!
so dont try to make his name sweet and wonderful! we know how things are goind with him!
if he still got the leverage to sell a fight? matthew hatton should have been his opponent this may 1, but no, we all know he cant sell fights now. and you know what? many is watching floyd vs mosley so they would see how floyd finally loses his 0 loss record.
never duck any fight?
for 5 years he manage to not fight tough fighters in his own class. Cotto was undefeated that time, Clottey was a champ that time, Margarito, Mosley and so many others… 5 YEARS and you dont call that ducking?! what was he doing by the way? picking smaller opponents in order to look good! no wonder he failed to get the fighter of the decade award!
Manny at the age of 31 with already 50 fights and going up in weight faced the toughest opponents that we though he would loose set in front of him won in not just a unanimous or split decisions, he destroyed them! if you think of skills in boxing, running isnt one of them which floyd always use… if you box, you face your opponent toe to toe! do you know the meaning of toe to toe? face to face, no running! manny does that thats why he is the picked for fighter of the decade award. period!
floyd? let him run and win the bout in split decisions. thats what he’s good for anyway, run just to win a round. and you call that skills?
damn people.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flintstone84#p/u/1/rw5wi0rSzOA
it shows that eveyrday was set in stone already but obviously they went back on their words
Here’s the thing. For all we know. Mayweather Jr and Arum are all playing us. It might also be said with De La Hoya and Pacquiao. That they are playing their cards very very well.
A game of “LETS MAKE THINGS BIG!!!”. All about intrigue and back story. If Floyd doesn’t play the BAD GUY (coz I just think he couldn’t be that bad all the time), will we be so eager to have him fight Pacquiao? And if Pacquiao doesn’t play the NICE GUY (again, I just think he couldn’t be that nice all the time), will we be eager to have him fight Mayweather?
If Mayweather was nice and lets say a different fighter like Paul Williams is being bad to Pacquiao to the point of smear campaigning, wouldn’t we want Pacquiao to fight Williams?
All of these, from falling out of the negotiations until bringing in 2 fight consolations are part of their plot. It will bring more interest to the public which in turn will bring more gate and PPV revenues.
So who was duped now???
it seems to me that the author of this article completely forgot to take his medicines on time.
its obvious this is just another article meant to make floyd look good from the cowardduck-a$$ that he is. although some u think this writer just needs money badly to pay bills for his stinking basement home, thus on gayweather’s payroll.
but i think this writer is just plain dumb.
NO THE WRITER LIVES INSIDE FLOYD’S ASS!!!!
HAHAHA
what a gay thread!!!!
an endless love letter for gayweather.
mr. writer alexander “the gay” fug-ass-te..send and offer this article to floyd,
maybe he will love u back!!
hehehe
what a freak!!!!! haha
hey writer…what the fuck are u talkin about??!
are you on drugs???
ur a nutcase just like those garbage family mayweather retards..
All thid hatred and abusivness is not really appropriate
HAHAHA!!
HAHAHA!!
Pacquiao ducked Mosley? Like Pacquiao has been a welterweight for a long time? What an idiot this writer is. Why would Mosley be looking for a fight with Pacquiao at that time when Pacquiao was a Jr. Welterweight, Mosley fought already as a Junior Middleweight if he was that good he should have been calling the middleweight Champs and not Pacquiao, the Jr. welterweight champ. What does that mean??? While PacMan challenges bigger guys, these supposed “Elite Boxers” from “Black America” E.g. Mayweather fighting Marquez, Mosley trying to get a fight with PacMan. IT ALSO MEANS THE WRITER OF THIS posted ARTICLE IS AN EGGHEAD. Another wannabee expert at boxing who is nothing but a moronic idiot.
Fugate! your like a mucous who does not know wot’s going around the hoop.
May weather admittedly does not want to fight Mosley dbecause he says that Mosley is not a PPV attraction- an interview from ESPN. READ THE NEW STRAIGHT!
Yah Definitely, the write is an EGGHEAD or a coconuthead without the nut
HEY YOU FLOYD MAYWETHER JR.
YOU ARE A RACIST
YOU ARE COWARD
YOU ARE THE SHAME OF BOXING
YOU ARE SO UGLY
F U C K YOU-MAYWEATHER JR.!!!
ALEXANDER FUGATE
YOU ARE A B U L L S H I T
YOU ARE A PUPPET OF GAYWEATHER…!!!!
GO TO HELLL YOU ARE NOT A WORTHY WRITER
F U C K YOU FUGATE………….!!!!!!
F U C K YOU FUGATE………….!!!!!!
F U C K YOU FUGATE………….!!!!!!
F U C K YOU FUGATE………….!!!!!!
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
YOU A COWARD
YOU HAVE BEEN A SHAME IN BOXING AND TO THE WORLD
YOU ARE NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THE CHILDREN OF THE WORLD
YOU ARE THE AMERICAS GREATEST SHAME AND SHAME TO THE WORLD..!!!
TO MY FELLOW AMERICANS AND TO ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
LETS ALL BOYCOTT ALL THE FIGHTS OF FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
HE IS A BORING BOXER
HE IS A DUCKER
HE IS A CHICKEN
HE IS A COWARD
HE IS A GAY…!!!
HE IS TH E SHAME OF BOXING..HE IS AN EVIL..A BAD BAD FACE AND ATTITUDE!!!
GO TO HELL MAYWEATHER JR.!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
sorry my friends..alexa here..
just want to make my desire and love of my life floydie be proud of me..
so im writing this article..
so please do believe me…please..please.please..
with this floyd will notice me…instead of manny whom floydie has a great crush on..
and his sexpartners ellerbe, richard and oscar will envy me..
and senior will accept me too..
together we will be a happy gay family.
with love…mwaaaah
WHY DID YOU EVER GET TO HAVE A JOB LIKE THIS…WOW I NEVER KNEW THERE ARE MORONS LIKE YOU AROUND IN BOXING…HEY WAKE UP…YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN THE LAUGHING STOCK IN ALL OF BOXING WITH YOUR ARTICLE.HOW STUPID AREN YOU SAYING THAT COTTO,MOSLEY AND PAC ARE THE ONES WHO DUCKED GAYWEATHER???HEY YOU KNOW WHAT,IF YOU WANT TO BE FAMOUS AND LOOK SMART…MAKE SURE THAT WHEN “YOU GO AGAINST THE FLOW…MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO SWIM” SHEER DUMBNESS…IDIOTIC AT ITS MAXIMUM!!!!YES WE SHOULD RESPECT OTHERS POV BUT THIS IS NOT A POINT OF VIEW OF A SANE MAN…HOW WOULD YOU RESPECT THAT???
AND ANOTHER THING…WOW YOUR ARUMS RIGHT HAND MAN I SUPPOSE..WOW THATS SOMETHING ELSE….ARUM AFRAID OF LETTING HIS COW RUN OUT OF MILK???ISNT IT THAT ITS DELA HOYA WHO DOESNT WANT TO LOSE HIS ACE WARD???
HOHUM…
NOTHING NEW.
SAME NUTHUGGING DUCKY FLOYD ARTICLE.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU GET MR. WRITER??
A ONE YEAR SUPPLY OF COCCAINE FROM PREADATOR FLOYD SENIOR PERHAPS??
to the writer of this article.
i bet you are a money lover as well huh!
you love money so much you will lick floyds ass for 40M green.
im not surprised at all, most of floyds fans are money worshipers.
they will do anything for green. well, actually, they’re used to licking balls for a dollar, so why not for 40M?
floyds reputation will not change as the most dishonored sports icon of our time.
and wait for his total destruction come may 1. he did added a rematch in his contract with mosley… meaning, hes expecting a loss this may for a rematch.
VIVA PACQUIAO!!!
DUCKWEATHER HIJO DE PUTA!!
My goodness…somebody finally has the story right…i just hope Floyd gets a chance to fight Pacquiao and then whoever else he supposedly ducked or ducking…whatever man…F#ckin Haters
To the writer….
Thanks for a well researched article. Many good FACTS presented here. Pls ignore the kiddies and their name calling – take it as a mark of a well balanced argument that those who dont like to hear FACTS will resort to this tripe. True fans of the sport who’ve been around for years kno wat u r talking about… We maybe out numbered but we are there
Well done, keep up the good work.
FACTS NOT FICTION !!
Excellent article and 100% factual!!
Great work!!
Suck on that Floyd haters!
what? this article is a joke! hahaha
dont worry, everything has been decided for the fighter of the decade….
manny is the best fighter of this decade 2001-2010!
and he is also 3rd time fighter of the year.
we dont hate floyds skin, we hate his ego, his uneducated ways, racist, irresponsible sports icon, a cheater and a lier…
Great article!! Well researched…..I already knew alot of this but creating this timeline really helps an open minded reader understand why some of criticism of Floyd Mayweather (speaking in terms of his boxing) is just completely ridiculous……
open minded? hahahah! what do we have to understand?
floyds trash talk?
floyds uneducated ways?
floyds ego maniac personality?
floyds psychopathic behavior?
floyds self proclaimed greatness?
what could we possibly need to understand?!!!
tell us kat? what? floyds greatness?
he is not great, he has ducked the best out there for 5 years as a welterweight fighter while claiming to be the best?… you dont have to try to convince us that. his self proclamation is pure illusion!
manny has been proclaimed fighter of the decade and 3rd time fighter of the year.
what you need to understand kat is… sports isnt just skills…
a sports icon carries great responsibility as an example and inspiration for the next generation. floyd failed to be a good example. and if you cant grasp that maybe you need to open your mind.
I can’t believe myself reading this garbage. Whatever arguments Floyd Jr. and his supporters would come up, they’re not credible. Why now Floyd Jr. is asking that stupid unprecedented ridiculous random blood testing and singling out Manny apart from his previous 40 opponents? Scared punk to Manny. Period…
Pacquiou Fans dont know shyt about boxing or the business of boxing, they are bias and ignorant, first check google BOB ARUM Pacquios Boss and see how much of a racist, crook, and redneck he is, the google Pacquiou vs Morales I, the last time that he fought and took a blood test, why didnt he just call Floyds bluff and Knock him out and take a 60% purse if hes such a bad muthafu cka? Pacquiou and Margacheato, I mean Margarito, are just alike cheaters! From Top Rank!
Pacquiou is a cheat and couldnt beat Marquez! but look what Floyd did to that azz? Hes a juicer, I hope Texas give his bytch azz a blood test and surprise that bytch made cheat! Google Arum Pacquious boss, and tell me that that scumbag redneck wouldnt cheat or fix a fight! Before you judge Floyd learn the business! Oh I forgot you dumb dic eatin mutha fu ckas cant read! The last fight that Pacquiou dropped blood he got the shyt beat out him google Pacquiou Vs. morales I and see it for youself, if youre scared of needles why does that peice of shyt Pacman have tattoos and an earring? Ok! De La Hoya cant stand Arum just like Floyd cant stand him and HBO cant Stand him bcuz hes a redneck piece of shyt! google it! You bythch made muthafucas cant stand to c an African American dominate! Go put a barrell of a pistol in your mouths you do dics and fucing kill yourselves!
That was one of the best written pieces of journalism I’ve seen on the subject. I see many on here refuting what you’ve said but without sound evidence of the facts. I think we all know what’s really going on here, but, it would be nice to see the fight happen. Just take the tests if you’re clean Pac…it’s no biggie (LOL).
Wow, lot of PacRoid bitches on here. Bottom line, Pac tossed 40 mil. Say what you want about Floyd but he aint juicing like Pac.
what the hell is this kid nash talkin about lol? you obviosuly just start boxing in the last 2yrs and dont know anything about boxing …and after or if pac loses you wil go away from lol