MANNY PACQUIAO AN 8 TO 5 FAVORITE TO BEAT FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
By Don Donatello
The Vegas odds makers are good, very good. They get it right almost everytime. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a betting man, he knows how good the Vegas odds makers are.
November 15th, 2009, the day after the Miguel Cotto versus Manny Pacquiao fight, Mayweather gave Sky Sports of England an interview. In the video, pay close attention to Floyd Mayweather’s eyes. His demeanor, body language, and facial expression changes dramatically beginning at 00:20 of the video. Floyd’s eyes is profoundly telling when he talks about the possibility of him fighting Pacquiao. After seeing what Pacquiao did to Cotto, I see a man who is clearly shaken who is trying hard to convince others and himself that Pacquiao poses no threat to him and his career. That is not the look and sound of a confident man.
Floyd states that Manny had not called him out yet and all Pacquiao has to do is to “step up to the plate” if he wants to fight. At 3:34 of the video, Mayweather said that “Manny Pacquiao weighed 106 when he was 16, just like Floyd Mayweather weighed, 106 when he was 16 years old.”
Video of the Floyd Mayweather interview
What happened? A couple of days later, the Mayweather camp was singing a different tune. Would Mayweather have asked for Olympic Style Drug Testing (OSDT) if he was the 8 to 5 odds favorite? He never was such a huge underdog before, and he never asked to the OSDT.
On November 16, two days after Manny Pacquiao put on a very impressive 12th round stoppage of Miguel Cotto, Dan Rafael of ESPN reported that Station Casinos had Pacquiao as the 8 to 5 favorite over Mayweather if they fought. Source: Pacquiao looking to Mayweather fight
On November 18th, two days after Pacquiao was labeled as an 8 to 5 favorite, the Floyd Mayweather camp started to back pedal.
The following is an excerpt from Chris Mannix’s article that was posted on November 18 and released on SI on November 23 of 2009 issue.
“The showdown, should it happen, could come as soon as early May. But Mayweather has long been criticized for avoiding the most challenging opponents, and already some in his camp appear to be looking for ways out of the bout. Mayweather’s father, Floyd Sr., told SI he would advise his son not to face Pacquiao, saying that he believed Pacquiao’s ability to absorb Cotto’s shots and keep coming is proof that Pacquiao is taking performance-enhancing substances — an accusation for which he had no proof. “I know Floyd is the best,” says Mayweather Sr. “But when [your opponent] uses something illegal, even the best can get hurt.” Source: Floyd Mayweather Sr. accuses Manny Pacquiao of using steroids
From what I chronicled here, it looks like Floyd Mayweather Jr. and company had been sabotaging the potential Mayweather/Pacquiao fight as soon as the betting odds were released. I can visualize the Mayweathers monitoring the Vegas odds. They’ll wait for Pacquiao to slow down. When the odds changes and Pacquiao’s abilities have noticeably diminished, look for the Mayweathers to come calling.
I have always said that Mayweather’s genius and true talent is his ability to know which fighter he can beat and which ones he can’t. The knock of Andre Berto was that he has not fought anyone that prove he was a good fighter. Mayweather already had Berto in his sight. But Victor Ortiz got there first and exposed Berto before Mayweather got the chance.
Dan Rafael’s interview of Roach must have given Mayweather a very big scare. During the training camp in preparation of Pacquiao’s fight against Cotto, Roach tells about his conversation with the two time opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Jose Luis Castillo. Acting as one of Pacquiao’s sparring partner, Castillo told Roach that Pacquiao, “is faster and hits way harder than Mayweather.” Castillo fought Mayweather twice.
It is the first Castillo/Mayweather fight that throws Mayweather’s argument out the window when he claims he is undefeated. The fight was on April 20th of 2002. With Castillo giving inside information about Mayweather to Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, Mayweather’s comment at 02:08 of the Sky Sports interview could be the reference when Floyd said that “they are trying to build a fighter, they’re trying to make a fighter that can beat me.”
Jose Luis Castillo:
Jabs landed – 30
Power punches landed – 173
Total punches landed – 203
Floyd Mayweather Jr:
Jabs landed – 91
Power landed – 66
Total punches landed – 157
Let’s see what famed boxing historian, Bert Sugar, had to say as to why Floyd lost the psychological game. At 1:40 of the video below, Bert Sugar tells the reason why Floyd started to back pedal. Floyd started malting and shedding his feathers when he found out that Pacquiao was the odds on favorite against him in a fight. After the Las Vegas odds was initially released, it must have shook Mayweather to the bone. His confidence was battered, deep fried and refried! And then toasted! Mayweather’s gambling habit is well known. Do you think that Mayweather knows that the Vegas odds get it right almost every time.
Floyd Marweather Jr. was willing to fight Pacquiao. In a span of 5 days, from November 14 to November 18 of 2009, there were two things that shook him hard and changed his mind. The annihilation of an opponent he avoided, Miguel Cotto, and the odds in Vegas that says Pacquiao beats him by an 8 to 5 odds.
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Bert is right. It took 14 years for Mayweather to get from 106 to 147. It took Pacquiao 15 years to get from 105 to 147. They have near identical growth trajectories and keeping their skills intact while moving up in weight. This PEDs accusation is baseless, slanderous and completely unecessary. It is nothing but smoke and mirrors for Mayweather to avoid fighting Pacquiao.
and this one to http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2010/01/teddy_atlas_manny_pacquiao_cam.html
Everyone please read this article I found http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-12-25/sports/17942143_1_pacquiao-s-promoter-drug-testing-manny-pacquiao
Mike please tell me this is a joke, or that your being sarcastic? Your linking a purely speculative article dated Friday, December 25, 2009, as fact, and with relevancy in the present. With all that has come to light since Friday, December 25, 2009 about FMJ's true nature and intent to avoid Manny at all costs. This is beyond desperate!
Yes indeed. It is called HIS STORY, rather than HISTORY
Champ, what a joke! Really? OSDT RBT USADA for pro-boxing? BS NSAC? So, your coward idol is so much bigger than NSAC and boxing. Bravo! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Don't disappoint us, Maynever/Ortiz undercard fighters should undergo that stupid testing too or else it's all BS smokescreen of your coward idol Floyd Jr. LMAO!
In my opinion, we do not know what's in the contract. The only issue was Floyd wanted drug testing. Personally, I agree with Manny. Why should another fighter or boxer tell me what to do? NSAC do testing and have rules. If you don't like it, then petition and have upgrade the testing. Floyd has been talking about same bullshit for the past 2 years that he wanted to clean up the sport. Two years went by, he hasn't done anything. Some of these boxers starts saying the same shit after they lost a fight or if they don't want to fight. For example, Floyd Mayweather against Manny Pacquiao. He's accusing Manny of PEDs or steroids. In my opinion, I think Floyd is the one who using steroids. Why? The side effects of steroids is aggression..... He beat up and threatened his kids and assaulted a security. The second boxer is Andre Berto against Victor Ortiz. Berto was undefeated until he met Ortiz. Then weeks later, he accused Ortiz on some type of drugs. Then here comes Shane Mosley against Manny Pacquiao. After he was knocked out, he went on survival mode. Then after words, tweeted some shit on his page then was commented after by non other Floyd. These are examples of people can't take losses. Can't accept defeat or won't take a fight and this is how they react. I like Shane Mosley but after that statement on tweeter, just lost respect. He was doing fine on post conference except on the actually fight in the ring. He was gracious but he posted that comment. It got even worst for Shane. I wasn't happy about the fight but what can we do? We are not the one in the ring getting beat up so I don't blame him. On the other hand, Shane didn't take a chance. No risk, no reward. If he would have tried, I will give him respect and credit. It turn me off even more after he posted that shit on the internet. About Floyd, I don't think he's afraid of Manny. I think he's more afraid of losing 41-0 record because that's all he brag about. If and when Manny beats him, he will not take it well. To be honest, people who runs their mouth like Floyd is the most insecure people in the world. They feel threatened and it really shows their true color and mental state. Floyd wants to feel good about himself so he can sleep at night. So jut let him talk all he wants because he will just turn people off. Good people know what's right.
MAYWEATHER IS HELPING CLEAN UP THE SPORT. IN ALL OF HIS FIGHTS FROM HERE ON OUT. OSDT IS A MUST AND IT MUST BE DONE BY THE USADA. SHANE MOSLEY AGREED TO IT, VICTOR ORTIZ AGREED TO IT. AND NOW ANDRE WARD IS REQUESTING USADA TO TEST HIS UPCOMING FIGHT. THESE ARE ALL FINE EXAMPLES AND CLEANING UP THE SPORT OF BOXING. PACQUIAO IS NOT HELPING AT ALL. A HIGH PROFILE ATHLETE LIKE PACQUIAO SHOULD WANT TO HELP. I WISH HE WOULD HELP. BUT INSTEAD HE PICKS CUTOFF DATES AND REFUSES ANY OTHER TESTING OUTSIDE OF THE NSAC. ITS BULLSHIT. YOU CAN'T MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF A GUY LIKE THIS
@Champ there you go with your lies once again. The Duck hasn't done a damn thing to improve testing! He hasn't given testimony, he has started a campaign, he hasn't addressed congress, all he's done is trying to save face since his bluff was called by Manny. Funny how the Duck didn't test Hatton, DLH, or JMM. The only time he was remotely interested was when his daddy cried wolf when his fighter (Hatton) got obliterated at the hands of Manny, and he now had to face him! And the Duck can't face Manny, he's ducking the court system because he knows he'll have to tell the truth and get beat by Manny.
Fighters have beat the NSAC TESTING COUNTLESS TIMES. Goodnight.
@champ, how many boxer caught by OSDT? is NSAC never caught single boxer on PEDS?
RaidR. Mayweather has not done all he could to help clean up the sport but he has taken a small step. Mayweather Mosley and Ortiz are all proving themselves clean. Now Andre Ward wants to prove himself clean as well as the guy hes fighting. Thats 5 fighters proving to be clean. and im sure there are more to come. What gets to me is the fact Manny, Arum, and Roach do not agree with this system. How could you not want to help clean up a sport? Boxing is very dirty and the use of PEDs can be very damaging to your opponent in boxing. If Team Pacquiao decides to help clean up the sport, i will be more than happy to praise them for it.
@Champ your liar, Ward did not request OSDT because of the huge amount. Ward want too but can't do it. He said OSDT is too expensive and he can't afford it. You know champ random testing for 8 weeks will cost for 100,000 dollar.
Bis Dak. Its not the fact that he cant afford it. Its that he WANTS to help clean up the sport by implementing this style of tesing. This is a fine example. And he didnt say he wont use it. He said its expensive but if its affordable he will use it.
This site is a blog,I can't take it anymore! I can never get insightful boxing information or a fair and objective amount of reporting. All you retarded Paq fans enjoy this bullshit site! Peace...P.S. There's no need to reply because I won't read it. Dick riding site I have never seen anything like it!
What is your problem Sean? You are a fool man this site has more Floyd Mayweather fan boys, go look at that clown Lou Cock Block, Chuy Marco, Jamal Dicky, Jacoby Sharee, Lester Salvador and other Pac haters. They stopped writing cause of how foolish they started looking when Pacman kept proving them wrong and beating everyone in front of him. Nowboxing kicks ass, I like reading both sides I get a laugh out of both the Floyd and Pac fans, but I think Sergio Martinez is the boss!
Good just move along, LOSER! Tell your coward idol to fight Manny fair-and-square and he should better stop demanding to get an edge, BS ODST RBT, and other BS excuses. So ask Floyd Jr as when he can provide a proof for the court to review that Manny is juicing.
Are you seriously going to sit there and type "tell floyd to stop looking for an edge and fight manny fair and square?" thats fuckin cute cause Manny got all of the other terms for the fight in favor of him, he got the 8 oz cleto reyes gloves (which in a 147 lb fight should by rules be 10 oz gloves) when in fact we all know floyd perfers to use Grant boxing gloves...then Manny gets to add in the stipulation of every pound over the agreed limit is a 10 million dollar penalty(which goes in mannys favor and floyd agreed to) And all floyd wanted was an EVEN PLAYING FIELD with OSDT and your boy manny cant do it?! if you EVER come to me with some bullshit about tell him to fight fair and square ill put you in your fuckin place again.
@hardhitter that is some of the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard of, even playing field! NSAC are the only commission that has a provisional rule on 10oz. gloves in a WW fight. Nowhere else in the world are 10oz. gloves used below the WW division. Now the key word here is "provisional' it's not a set rule, and the NSAC has made allowances in the past, Cotto/Margarito as an example. NSAC ruled a couple of years ago that any fighter 135 lbs and over must wear 10 oz gloves which is why Hatton looked so ridiculous that time with gloves reaching more than halfway up his forearm. Yet, NSAC allowed 8 oz gloves to be worn by 147 pounders Cotto and Margarito violating their own policy because that’s what the camps and Bob Arum wanted and suggested they’d take Cotto/Margarito to New York or Atlantic City otherwise. NSAC basically changed their own rules in April just to land Cotto/Margarito in Nevada. A few years ago, the commission said the glove increase was based on research, yet the same commission (head Tony Alamo) allows 240 lb Arlovski to compete with a 4 or 5 oz MMA glove while 140 lb Hatton has to wear 10 oz gloves because of fighter safety and research. Of course NSAC cover their butts now too saying the new option of 8 oz gloves for men over 135 lbs up to and including welterweights is once again based on research. Oh brother. Contradicting findings and conclusions in this research. There is a 20% penalty for any fighter coming in over the weight limit, 10% goes to the commission and the other 10% goes to the fighter. So lets examine this 10 million dollar penalty your harping about HardHitter. FMJ contracted to fight JMM at 147lbs, with the aforementioned typical penalty clause. Not only did FMJ not come in at 147lbs, but he changed the contract at the 11th hour to reduce the % of the penalty. This is a fact and not speculation, hearsay or just hatting as flomo's are accustomed to. Manny was just following the rules and making sure that the full penalty % was going to be meat by the cheating FMJ. Think about it, each fighter was going to get a guaranty of $40 million, plus the back end lets another $10 million each, thats $100 million with a 20% penalty attached $10 million to the commission, and $10 million to Manny. Team Manny did not negotiate out of bad faith, but rather followed the standard negotiating that has gone long before Manny was born. On the other hand no fighter in the history of boxing has ever accused another of using PED's. Not even the ranting Ali would accuse Foreman or Frazier of steroids. So some gangster wanna be hear's his daddy scream PED's after his fighter (Hatton) is obliterated by Manny and it now become a fact. Don't you see FMJ wasn't negotiating in good faith because he never had intention of fighting Manny, hence the RBT. FMJ wanted his specific hand picked company to conduct it (USADA) which many just assumed was a non bias company b/c it was USADA. Mayweather should have just demanded that the NSAC conduct the tests instead of trying to bring in his own body. Remember USADA after failing to get a foot hold in MLB, NFL, and other US pro sports, was now trying to infiltrate pro boxing.
Don Donatello, you are a GARBAGE writer. Every article you post is praising Manny and dissing Floyd. I thought writers and media were supposed to have a biased opinion on the topics they write on. This is absolutely horrible and SHIT writing. If you honestly think that a man who fights for a living is scared off of what odds makers say and do, then you sir are a complete and utter moron. These are athletes and fighters who are underdogs whenever a line comes out that take it as a challenge or seriously dont give a shit what the odds are, unlike you who would probably get down if the odds were against you. Your writing is for shit Don and your mentality is one of a little bitch. You dont think like a fighter, and thats very clear in this article which makes me ask why the hell you even write about boxing? From now on if i see an article with your name beside it ill just move along. thanks for nothing clown.
@HardHitter, you gotta love your negro man, stay with your monkey and refusing the deposition is "GUILTY AS CHARGE" ..
If anyone of you had watched Floyd's fight with Zab Judah and Corley this long debate is over of who's afraid of who. Leftie Zab Judah and Corley schooled floyd. Floyd's Shoulder roll didnt work on lefties. Its sad that these lefties didnt last for 12 rounds they obviously had a poor stamina. Pacquiao is ten times stronger, ten times faster, ten times smarter than Judah and Corley combined on top of it manny possess stamina of that a bull. Floyd Sr. knows that his son is not good at fighting lefties. Pacquiao is no ordinary leftie. Floyd will definitely be powerless to THE ULTIMATE LEFTIE OF THE CENTURY.
REMINDER: Pacquiao is the ultimate test for Floyd and Floyd don't want none of Pacquiao! BREAKING NEWS ON PAC/MARQUEZ NETWORK BIDS: “We’re in the process now of making a decision within the next week. HBO blew us over last night with its proposal. We’re not dealing with the sports department. We’re dealing directly with the chief executives. I never believed that they would come up with anything like this.” UPDATE: Based on Ortiz vs Floyd with Ortiz experience and all, HBO might go out on a limb on their Pro vs. Average match and give out a “COMPLIMENTARY POPCORN”…….WOW!!!!!!
This author is a moron. Vegas odds are set to get half the bets on both sides. And 8-5 odds are as tight as it gets. That was basically a you pick-em fool. And anyone that thinks Mayweather is scared of pacman is stupid. And same goes for pacman being scared. Arum is the reason this fight hasn't happened. Period! As far as the Cotto fight scaring anyone lol. Cotto was a badly beaten fighter who went through almost an engineering fight literally being hid with bricks previously to fighting pacman. He never bled like that before getting battered by girly Margarito. Yuri Foreman can make him bleed now. Pacman didn't even finish a dead mosley. He only fights corpses now. He was great but now I'm starting to wonder. Who has pacman fought that was anybody lately? I could give footage of roach and Arum and pacman dodging mosley after he punked margarito. So was pacman scared of mosley? Exactly means nothing. Arum is the problem.
Look at poor little Franny! Check it out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4qwBzJKrXY
Keep showin' that...but on the record Floyd Jr has 6 losses and hardcore boxing fans know he lost to Castillo. Therefore, he's got a big fake 0. Manny has 3 losses vs Floyd Jr has 6 losses and Manny had so much more 50 + fights than Floyd Jr's cherry-picked only 41 fights. Just be good in your math.
RBT is just s smokescreen invented by Fraud Jr. He never demanded blood test when he fought Marquez, Hatton, ODLH, et al. We all know who's scared when a boxer demands $10 million.
All Pacquiao has to do is hire a psychiatrist and have him overcome this ALLEGED fear of having his blood drawn. He can then take the "random" blood and urine Olympic Style Drug Testing, the same test Mayweather will take and there will be a fight. But Arum is already lining up Mike Jones as a potential opponent for Pacquiao after his fight with Marquez, which tells me that Arum is afraid for Manny to fight Mayweather.
Floyd Jr needs to drop all his BS demands to get an edge and BS excuses - so scared. Manny is clean as you can see Floyd Jr has been given a chance to deliver his proof that Manny is juicing but he no show in the court last week. He just need to follow NSAC pro-boxing protocols or otherwise he's got no balls to fight Manny fair-and-square. That's the truth my friends.
This is a silly article. If you want the TRUTH and not this idiots opinion, go over to FIGHTHYPE.COM. They are doing a 3 part series on the failed negotiations between Mayweather and Pacquiao and they are backing their series with FACTS. No opinions, just FACTS.
What failed negotiation? "THERE NEVER WAS A NEGOTIATION", lol.
Floyd is old news ya'll, why can't people let go and face the reality.....FLOYD days are over with! This is why he don't want to get the F knocked out by Pacquiao. Floyd might have been great a DECADE ago but he ain't fooling nobody in this decade. Duckin, retiring, vacationing, self inflicting crimes to avoid top challengers, and the lists goes on and on. I'm not a Pac fan but I do know when a joke is transparent, and Floyd.......you a joke!
I agree with buddy!
Well said...the joke gonna be on Floyd when Manny busts him up.
FightCamp 360 - Pac-Mosley Episode 5 showed that NSAC was to drug test PAC on the weigh-in, That's a day before the fight. Well, I can live with that. But still I will go on a 1-2 year PED/XYLOCAINE vacation after Ortiz. And NO ONE CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
Nice analysis. Thank you, Don. I never knew all about this info. This is surely eye opening.
after Ortiz I will again go for a PED/XYLOCAINE vacation for 1-2years. NOBODY TELLS ME WHAT TO DO, NOBODY!!!...Pac is an easy fight, just look at Baby Moma. My Uncle Roger showed that to me by choking a Lady Boxer whom he kicked out.
...."battered, deep fried and refried! And then toasted!"... I have to admit, We Do Chicken Right!....but the fans doesn't pay my bills and send my kids to skool after threatening them of harm if they don't give their cellphones...they don't pay my bills when I loss in the casino....just look at the Internet I got lots of winning tabs to show you....
If you are Floyd, I am really just tired of you and everyone else. If you don't want to fight, then just say so. But instead, all that comes out from your mouth are insults, profanity, negativity, etc. You know what, good luck to you and wish you well. I truly believe in KARMA.
Don the man telling it the way it is.
floyd already cheated marquez. so whats different.
this article is stupid. tell me DON whatever...when was the last time floyd said very confident he would win and lost?
Anjel=pendejo
dont know what odds this guy is looking at most casinos and reputable sights have always had floyd as a favorit to win. They actually have two pools one with testing floyd is a major favorit to win without testing floyd is a slight favorit check all respected gambling sights and casinos none have manny as a favorit.
what's your "favorit" boxer.....FLOYD? And you mentioned 2 "pools"....one with water and the other one without?
floyd...a son of a convicted drug pusher...a member of a family of criminals and idiot.......all mouth but a coward.......
i smell a dodge from day 1. floyd mayweather needs to quit duckin and fight pacquiao. why is he trying to set up roadblocks for now reason? lol floyd fans are delusional
i think he the theory that he is waiting to wait for pacman to slow down before he sign to figh is correct. history tells us that happened with leonard and hagler. but regardless it will still be a good fight to watch. floyd is very scared and to some exent ducking the best fighters so he can preserve his record.
No he's not, floyd is a very brave fighter. He is like wolverine, a superhero. Here is what he should say: (in Logan intonation) "I'm the best in what I do, but what I do isn't very nice..." Best in: 1. Ducking fighters 2. Beating girlfriend 3. Threatening children 4. Poking guards 5. Ducking deposition Not nice doing: 1. Read #1 above 2. Read #2 above 3. Read #3 above 4. Read #4 above 5. Read #5 above
Its just doesnt make sense. Some as Floydie the twinkie would value so greatly about his unbeaten record. Even knowing that most boxing fans know hes creating a record of a boxer known to have chosen his opponent, refusing a fight with a contender, and as a criminal. Who the hel* cares about his (0) if his zero means egg of a chicken. Now that he have to pay Pacman for damages he made, he needs to call KFC to represent them as their model.